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Been having an argument with Liverpool fans this weekend in regards to spending as they believed that Utd had spent 100`s of millions more than Liverpool in recent years so I`ve just copied and pasted all the info, and sent email so thought I would put a copy on here as it seems to come up quite a lot.

Total net spending Since 2000

Chelsea= £289.74 million
Man Utd= £132.65 million
Liverpool= £85.796 million
Arsenal= £42 million

The above doesn`t take into account Malouda into Chelsea, Reyes out of Arsenal, but does take into account the money in for Bellamy and Cisse.

In fairness aswell, Man Utd are expected to bring in around £15million from the sale of Richardson, Heinze, Silvestre, Smith and have finished spending for the summer (you would think), whereas Liverpool are expected to spend around £20million at least on two more players.

That means the difference in spending at the end of the summer you would expect to be around £13million which over 8seasons isn`t anything especially considering that takes into account the £50odd million spent this summer plus Ruud, Rio, Veron and Rooney.


If you only take into account Benitez`s reign it`s £62.32million net spending and Ferguson`s spending for the period since he took over is £88.3million. Again if you take into account the spending expected by Liverpool and money coming in for Utd it looks like it will probably end up near enough the same, and if anything Liverpool will have spent more money that Utd since Benitez took over!!

Wegner`s net spending for his whole time at Arsenal is £49million. Puts everyone else to shame!!!



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but does take into account the money in for Bellamy and Cisse.


IM not aware we`ve definately sold these people - is this the case ? if so how much? if not how can it be included?

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If you only take into account Benitez`s reign it`s £62.32million net spending and Ferguson`s spending for the period since he took over is £88.3million

From the stuff I posted a few weeks back I think Benitez`s net was about £43mill before Torres was bought / Garcia sold. Ive heard the net of all that was about £20 mill which would take it to £63mill ish as you report - that figure, I suggest, does not include money received for Cisse or Bellamy so I think that adjusts the figures slightly

As i said in the paull argument forum in my "objective" review. There is not a huge gap between Utd and Pool spending in recent years, however, United have still just about spent more and when you consider Liverpool is a re-building job (of greater scale then Uniteds has been during a few trophyless years) id expect them to be havnig to spend more than they might have done


EDIT : I have just read i nthe paper that WHU have agreed a 7.5million deal with Liverpool for Bellamy - just got to sort out some loyalty bonus payment or something. Not bad work id say

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I`ll check those figures now I knew the deal with Bellamy was imminent and so is Cisse but they were shown as done on a few sites I checked for comparison. (It`s got Bellamy out for £8mil and Cisse for £6mil)

I think the difference is because I`ve done it on a season by season and technically Cisse was signed that summer so that £14million is probably making a difference and maybe yours is including Heskey as a sale for Benitez? Unsure as you`ve only given figures, not transfers in your list.

As I know there are a lot of Spurs fans on here, I`ve just done a quick check and their total net spending since 2000 comes in at £76.797million (and that`s including Bale`s fee as £5million, I thought it was around £10million in total?)



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(It`s got Bellamy out for £8mil and Cisse for £6mil

From the paper and what ive heard over last 7 days they seem fairly stated figures


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I think the difference is because I`ve done it on a season by season and technically Cisse was signed that summer so that £14million is probably making a difference and maybe yours is including Heskey as a sale for Benitez? Unsure as you`ve only given figures not transfers in your list.


Well I took the figures I used for Pool from the site that paull used (after all i was trying to prove to him that his claims we`d spent £120million in Benitez`s three years and that we`d outspent united was way off the mark) and as I had less than one hour to put together the list I wasnt going to research and create a listing

You could be right on the reason why your figure comes out to a similar net spend over Rafa`s period in charge if they/you have attributed CIsse`s purchase as his. Cisse was £14 mill which would offset £6m for his sale + £8m for bellamy


The £14million for Cisse should be attributed to Houllier. The deal was done long before the summer that Houllier (the French tosser) got the boot but for whatever reason his physical move could only happen once season was over.
As for Heskey, cant even remember when he went tbh. However, it has to be three or four years ago now seeing as id say hes had 1or2 years at Birmingham and 1or 2 years at wigan. So it could well have been a Benitez sale - I coudlnt say to be honest



What about including charges/loan fees/trf fees for Tevez in the united figures given you predict we`ll spend £20mill more :-D

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Heskey announced his move the day before the last game of the season and what was in effect Houllier`s last game (I remember because it was a quite a strange thing as it was totally out of the blue).

I`m not criticising no listing BTW, I just trying to explain where the differences were from, as all the figures I`ve seen seem reasonable enough from memory but there is always going to be some disputes about some of the figures, although I`d say it shouldn`t have any significant effect on the outcome.

I agree Cisse probably shouldn`t be included but I only realised when I had a quick scan after you questioned my figures.



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2000-2001

07.06.2000 Bernard Diomede Auxerre £3,000,000
01.07.2000 Gary McAllister Coventry Free
01.07.2000 Pegguy Arphexad Leicester Free
01.07.2000 Markus Babbel Bayern Munich Free
18.07.2000 Nick Barmby Everton £6,000,000
25.08.2000 Christian Ziege Middlesbrough £5,500,000
22.09.2000 Gregory Vignal Montpellier £500,000
28.11.2000 Daniel Sjolund West Ham £1,000,000
07.12.2000 Igor Biscan Dynamo Zagreb £5,500,000
04.01.2001 Jari Litmanen Barcelona Free

26.06.2000 Stig Inge Bjørnebye Blackburn £300,000
01.07.2000 Phil Babb Sporting Lisbon Free
03.08.2000 David Thompson Coventry £2,750,000
18.08.2000 Dominic Matteo Leeds United £4,750,000
03.11.2000 Brad Friedel Blackburn Free
28.11.2000 Rigobert Song West Ham £2,500,000
06.12.2000 Steve Staunton Aston Villa Free
11.12.2000 Erik Meijer Hamburg SV Free
21.12.2000 Titi Camara West Ham £2,600,000
27.12.2000 Haukur Ingi Gudnason Keflavik Free
20.03.2001 Jon Newby Bury £100,000

- £8,500,000

2001-2002

20.06.2001 John Arne Riise Monaco £4,000,000
26.07.2001 Milan Baros Banik Ostrava £3,200,000
31.08.2001 Jerzy Dudek Feyenoord £4,850,000
31.08.2001 Chris Kirkland Coventry £6,000,000
20.12.2001 Nicolas Anelka Paris St Germain On Loan
30.01.2002 Abel Xavier Everton £750,000

01.07.2001 Ian Armstrong Port Vale Free
04.07.2001 Leyton Maxwell Cardiff Free
17.07.2001 Christian Ziege Tottenham £4,000,000
29.11.2001 Robbie Fowler Leeds United £12,750,000
17.12.2001 Sander Westerveld Real Sociedad £3,750,000
23.01.2002 Alan Navarro Tranmere £225,000
01.03.2002 Frode Kippe Lillestrøm Free
16.04.2002 Jamie Redknapp Tottenham Free
20.04.2002 John Miles Stoke Free
13.05.2002 Gary McAllister Coventry Free

+ £1,925,000

2002-2003

16.05.2002 Bruno Cheyrou Lille £3,700,000
01.06.2002 El Hadji Diouf Lens £10,000,000
09.07.2002 Alou Diarra Bayern Munich Free
29.07.2002 Patrice Luzi Monaco Free
06.08.2002 Salif Diao Sedan £4,700,000

01.07.2002 Jørgen Nielsen Farum Free
08.08.2002 Nick Barmby Leeds United £3,750,000
15.08.2002 Stephen Wright Sunderland £3,000,000
30.08.2002 Jari Litmanen Ajax Free

- £11,650,000

2003-2004

01.07.2003 Steve Finnan Fulham £3,500,000
01.07.2003 Anthony Le Tallec Le Havre £1,500,000
01.07.2003 Florent S Pongolle Le Havre £1,500,000
09.07.2003 Harry Kewell Leeds United £5,000,000
08.08.2003 Carl Medjani St Etienne Free
09.01.2004 Paul Jones Southampton On Loan

01.07.2003 Patrik Berger Portsmouth Free
01.07.2003 Bernard Diomede Ajaccio Free
01.07.2003 Pegguy Arphexad Coventry Free
01.07.2003 Vegard Heggem Unknown Free
15.01.2004 Daniel Sjolund Djurgården Free
28.01.2004 Paul Jones Southampton On Loan
02.02.2004 Abel Xavier Hannover 96 Free
18.05.2004 Emile Heskey Birmingham £6,250,000

- £5,250,000

2004-2005

01.07.2004 Djibril Cissé Auxerre £14,500,000
26.07.2004 Josemi Rey Malaga £2,000,000
17.08.2004 Antonio Nunez Real Madrid Cash(+ Player Exchange)
20.08.2004 Xabi Alonso Real Sociedad £10,700,000
20.08.2004 Luis Garcia Barcelona £6,000,000
05.01.2005 Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia Free
13.01.2005 Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £6,300,000
21.01.2005 Scott Carson Leeds United £1,000,000

16.07.2004 Markus Babbel VfB Stuttgart Free
10.08.2004 Danny Murphy Charlton £2,500,000
14.08.2004 Michael Owen Real Madrid £8,500,000*
28.01.2005 Stephane Henchoz Celtic Free

- £29,500,000

2005-2006

16.06.2005 Josh Mimms Rotherham United £50,000
04.07.2005 Antonio Barragan Sevilla £240,000
04.07.2005 Boudewijn Zenden Free Transfer Free
04.07.2005 Jose Reina Villareal £6,000,000
14.07.2005 Mohamed Sissoko Valencia £5,600,000
20.07.2005 Peter Crouch Southampton £7,000,000
15.08.2005 Godwin Antwi Real Zaragoza Unknown
15.08.2005 Miki Roque Lleida Unknown
18.08.2005 Jack Hobbs Lincoln City £150,000
22.08.2005 Besian Idrizaj LASK Linz £190,000
29.08.2005 Ramon Calliste Free Transfer Free
20.10.2005 Mark Gonzalez Albacete £1,500,000
01.01.2006 Paul Anderson Hull City Player Exchange
04.01.2006 Jan Kromkamp Villareal Player Exchange
12.01.2006 Daniel Agger Brøndby £5,800,000
12.01.2006 David Martin MK Dons £250,000
27.01.2006 Robbie Fowler Man City Free

13.06.2005 Vladimir Smicer Bordeaux Free
15.06.2005 El Hadji Diouf Bolton £3,500,000
17.06.2005 Mauricio Pellegrino Alaves Free
23.06.2005 Alou Diarra Lens £2,000,000
01.07.2005 Gregory Vignal Portsmouth Free
01.07.2005 Igor Biscan Panathinaikos Free
01.07.2005 Jon Otsemobor Rotherham Utd Free
01.07.2005 Patrice Luzi Unknown Free
01.07.2005 Mark Smyth Unknown Free
01.07.2005 Paul Harrison Unknown Free
01.07.2005 Richie Partridge Unknown Free
29.07.2005 Antonio Nunez Celta Vigo £2,000,000*
23.08.2005 Milan Baros Aston Villa £6,500,000
01.01.2006 John Welsh Hull City Player Exchange
02.01.2006 Josemi Rey Villareal Player Exchange

- £12,780,000

2006-2007

01.07.2006 Craig Bellamy Blackburn £6,000,000
04.07.2006 Gabriel Paletta Club Atlético Banfield £2,000,000
05.07.2006 Fábio Aurélio Valencia Free
26.07.2006 Jermaine Pennant Birmingham £6,700,000
18.08.2006 Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord £9,000,000
21.08.2006 Nabil El Zhar St Etienne £200,000
11.01.2007 Astrit Ajdarevic Falkenberg £750,000
11.01.2007 Emiliano Insúa Boca Juniors On Loan
12.01.2007 Daniele Padelli Sampdoria On Loan
24.01.2007 Jordy Brouwer Ajax Undisclosed
30.01.2007 Francisco Durán Malaga £66,000
31.01.2007 Ronald Huth Tacuary FC Undisclosed
31.01.2007 Álvaro Arbeloa Deportivo £2,500,000
20.02.2007 Javier Mascherano West Ham On Loan

13.06.2006 Zak Whitbread Millwall £200,000
29.06.2006 Bruno Cheyrou Rennes Undisclosed
01.07.2006 Ramon Calliste Unknown Free
01.07.2006 Robbie Foy Unknown Free
03.07.2006 David Raven Carlisle £0*
05.07.2006 Fernando Morientes Valencia £3,000,000
11.07.2006 Dietmar Hamann Bolton Free
03.08.2006 Antonio Barragan Deportivo £675,000
09.08.2006 Djimi Traore Charlton £2,000,000
12.08.2006 Carl Medjani Lorient Free
30.08.2006 Neil Mellor Preston £500,000
31.08.2006 Jan Kromkamp PSV Eindhoven £1,750,000
27.10.2006 Chris Kirkland Wigan Ath. £3,500,000*
18.01.2007 Darren Potter Wolves £250,000*
22.01.2007 Stephen Warnock Blackburn £1,500,000
25.01.2007 Salif Diao Stoke Free
04.05.2007 Florent S Pongolle Recreativo £2,700,000

-£11,141,000

2007-2008

11.05.2007 Lucas Pezzini Leiva Gremio £5,000,000
25.05.2007 Krisztián Németh MTK Hungaria Undisclosed
25.05.2007 András Simon MTK Hungaria Undisclosed
27.06.2007 Nikolay Mikhailov Levski Sofia Undisclosed
01.07.2007 Sebastian Leto Club Atlético Lanús £1,800,000
04.07.2007 Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid £20,200,000
06.07.2007 Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free

08.06.2007 Daniele Padelli Sampdoria Returns from loan
13.06.2007 Danny O` Donnell Crewe £100,000
03.07.2007 Luis Garcia Atletico Madrid £4,000,000
06.07.2007 Boudewijn Zenden Marseille Free
06.07.2007 Djibril Cissé Marseille £6,000,000
06.07.2007 Craig Bellamy West Ham £8,000,000

-£8,900,000



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when you consider Liverpool is a re-building job (of greater scale then Uniteds has been during a few trophyless years)

Hahaha, you must be kidding me. Liverpool have been rebuilding forever. You can`t keep using that excuse. All teams rebuild, but only when (in my opinion) when the majority of the team is broken up. It`s not the same as spending a fortune on gash players and then getting rid of them on the quiet over the next couple of years.

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Liverpool have been rebuilding forever. You can`t keep using that excuse. All teams rebuild, but only when (in my opinion) when the majority of the team is broken up

Errr which is what Rafa has had to do over the last few years following what was left to him in the aftermatch of the Idiot Houllier`s reign is my point. I very very very rarely use the phrse "re-building" but sadly it is effectively what Benitez has had to try and do since he came in





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This wasn`t my original point, but he hasn`t done a very good job as in both trophies he`s won, the teams consisted nearly entirely of Houllier players :p ;)

Champions League line up: Liverpool: Dudek, Finnan (Hamann 46), Traore, Hyypia, Carragher, Riise, Gerrard, Luis Garcia, Alonso, Kewell (Smicer 23), Baros (Cisse 85).
Subs Not Used: Carson, Josemi, Nunez, Biscan.

FA Cup final line up: Liverpool: Reina, Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia, Riise, Gerrard, Alonso (Kromkamp 67), Sissoko, Kewell (Morientes 48), Cisse, Crouch (Hamann 71).
Subs Not Used: Dudek, Traore.



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1) Liverpool didnt have the money to change that many players so quickly. Benitex had t use some of them or we couldnt field a team

Of those players you;ve listed in black (ie Houllier players) Dudek - Gone, Hamman - Gone, Traore - Gone, Biscan - Gone, Baros - Gone, Cisse - Gone, Smicer - Gone

Of those remaining well I wouldnt sell Gerrard or Carra ever, Hyppia was awesome the only reason i would see him go now is his age has caught up on him a little, Kewell has been injured so he couldnt get rid of him anyways, Finnan probably would have gone had we had more dosh but he has impressed Benitez hence why he stuck with him and Riise i`d keep aswell for his veratility down the left


2) The 1st team players he kept from Houllier`s era arent bad but Houllier`s squad below the first team contained some utter garbage.


God they`ve been talking about Fergie re-building for the last few years seeing as theyve won nothing and look at the players they had there, the same goes for Wenger at Arsenal. One reference from me and im talking bull :-D


For the record "re-building" was probably the wrong term, maybe "moulding his own team" as a better phrase.
Personally I believe every manager at every club should be continually "re-building" to some extent because i think you need to be pretty short sighted if you suddenly find the situation where you have three, four, five players all coming to the age of 33 and on the way out and you`ve not already got replacements there learning how the team works and getting a few games to help break them in


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This item was edited on Tuesday, 10th July 2007, 10:14